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Mars and Venus in the Bedroom

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Not enough coverage. I've attempted to locate coverage for this book, but was only able to find sales of the book and other first-party sources. — Your local Sink Cat (The Sink). 04:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I just want to point out that this page has had an undisclosed payment tag for a while and was proposed for deletion ten years ago. I won't vote here but I'm just pointing that info out for others. Di (they-them) (talk) 04:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K07AAD-D

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Fails WP:GNG; largely unsourced; was part of a previous AFD. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All-time Charleston Battery roster

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Subject lacks notability under WP:LISTN due to a lack of sourcing. PROD was removed with the claim that sources exist, however none have been added to the article and I could not find any in a BEFORE, so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 03:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LoyaltyLion

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DELETE — Fails WP notability guidelines for organisations and companies WP:NCORP. The sources cited don't demonstrate significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. Most of the references are either self-published (the company's own website) or fail to offer in-depth analysis, consisting instead of brief mentions or promotional content, such as interviews and mentions in listicles. The tone of the article also leans towards promotional, especially in sections like "Platform Features" and "Partnerships and Integrations" WP:NPOV. There is a lack of information demonstrating the company's impact or actual significance beyond its promotional claims WP:NOTPROMO. Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 02:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hezbollah Headquarters

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Redirect to Haret Hreik. WP:RS do not identify this as a distinct entity but rather use it as a descriptive term. The cited provide only WP:PASSING mentions of a "Hezbollah headquarters" with their primary focus on information already covered in existing Wikipedia articles. Consolidating this content under Haret Hreik is more appropriate, as the area encompasses the context discussed here. A redirect ensures the information remains accessible without duplicating content unnecessarily. Longhornsg (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Advanced Technology Development Center

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 02:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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YL Ventures

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Mostly about routine funding. Some info from Techcrunch but notability is limited per WP:TECHCRUNCH. This was previously deleted per AfD before. Imcdc Contact 01:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of diplomatic relations of Ireland

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This article is pretty much a copy-paste of Foreign relations of Ireland except the list is a bit different as the creator believes that Ireland maintains diplomatic relations with Equatorial Guinea and São Tomé and Príncipe, yet the soucres he used are poorly sourced as they do not indicate anything about establishing diplomatic relations. Also, the history section has no reliable source at all. Underdwarf58 (talk) 01:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Eddy Maday

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Non-notable actor with roles in only one notable film. None of the sources are reliable, and I found none with significant coverage online. I initially BLARed this to Presence (2024 film)#Cast, but it was reverted by the article's creator. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not meet WP:BIO/WP:NACTOR. No significant coverage exists in reliable sources; most existing sources mention him as a cast member but there is no independent coverage of the subject himself. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Living Prime Ministers of India

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A new article not meeting WP:NLIST and unwarranted in the presence of List of prime ministers of India. At heart, it's a two-element list, and the rest is WP:OR. A PROD was contested; I considered a merge, but there doesn't seem to be any unique referenced material to merge. Klbrain (talk) 00:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Samsung SPH-i700

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No indication of notability displayed since 2012. In addition, does not cite any sources. Could possibly be merged elsewhere. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 00:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This was all I could find [1], looks to be a press release. Nothing for notability, no sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 01:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Brian Thompson (businessman)

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During initial discussions of the notability of the subject I favored that this article be kept for the time being, pending the emergence of articles in reliable sources on the subject. Since then there has been quite a lot of coverage in reliable sources and a problem has emerged.

It has become apparent that virtually all the coverage of Thompson in reliable sources is relevant to his murder. The little that is not is trivial in nature (e.g. he was separated from his wife and once was arrested for drunk driving). As a result, the indisputably notable and necessary article on his killing, Killing of Brian Thompson is little more than an expanded version of this article. This article is superfluous, and should be deleted or merged into that article. Coretheapple (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep His activities at UH are sufficient to meet WP:NPERSON. He is not only notable for a single event. PhotographyEdits (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - while the coverage/sources have largely emerged only due to the killing, there are notable events and facts about his life that pre-date late 2024, and I think he meets WP:NPERSON as a result. Need to be careful not to let too much of the content/tone of Killing of Brian Thompson spill into here, tho. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 17:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for these same reasons. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for similar reasons to others listed. And also, I'm sorry, not to be rude, but are we talking about this again? And already? This is the third discussion I've been a part in the last month or two, or however long it's been, as far as whether to keep this article. Each time, the consensus has been keep. So, that seems to just be the consensus for the time being. I don't know how many times the same discussion is 'allowed' or what have you to be brought up in the same time period, but surely we all can agree that we should be waiting at least a few months if not longer to let things cool down before re-opening this discussion again (if that's even necessary) based on the fact that we are consistently coming to the same conclusion? InquisitiveWikipedian (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge there is far too much scrapping on any possible report about Thompson that fails BLP (which still applies). The bulk of the biographical details are routine and do not show any notability. Nearly all the criticism about him is mostly about UHC while he happened to be CEO, which doesn't automatically make him responsible for those choices, nor make him notable. We will avoid a lot of BLP problems by including the criticism of UHC within the killing article are related to the motive of the killing. But otherwise BLP1E clearly is met, and we should not have a standalone of him. Masem (t) 17:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- To add the bulk of the sources are after his death. If he was truly notable beyond BLE1E, there would be far more sourcing from before his death, but the only pieces there prevdeath are routine aspects related to his promotions at UHC. This is the type of case that BLP1E as well as BLP CRIME were written to avoid. Masem (t) 18:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - we have articles for CEOs of major companies, including those who aren't particularly notable except for just leading their companies. UHC is a major and controversial company, and Thompson is notable for his leadership before his murder. See WP:NPERSON. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no explicit notability for CEOs of major corporations. — Masem (t) 00:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would also point out that Thompson was not the CEO of the public entity, United Health Group. He was CEO of the United Healthcare division. Johnadams11 (talk) 17:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect. Thompson largely has the same characterization as Mangione I think, since he is largely WP:BLP1E, but that WP:1E is not trivial, and he played an untrivial role in that event (even unwillingly). I think the same principle applies to Thompson as to Mangione, but the difference, as I see it, is that the coverage around Mangione quickly turned him into a folk hero. Thompson has almost faded into obscurity by comparison: it's been the US healthcare system that's been vilified, not this one person. I think that if Mangione is notable enough for this 1E, Thompson should be, but the deletion discussion for Mangione didn't conclusively litigate that, in my opinion (though I was involved). But if Mangione isn't notable for simply the one event, I don't think Thompson would be notable at all. There simply hasn't been much coverage of this person, as @Coretheapple points out. I hope that was enough explanation to not just be WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS :)guninvalid (talk) 21:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, as per reasoning of @Coretheapple Sushidude21! (talk) 23:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And @guninvalìd Sushidude21! (talk) 23:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Killing of Brian Thompson per nom, as well as the reasonings of Masem and guninvalid. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JohnAdams1800, and since the Mangione article AfD passed as keep, which was a concern of Coretheapple. Cheers! Johnson524 06:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Mangione article's AfD did get closed as Keep, but a deletion review was initiated. There is some weak support from the admins to overturn to no-consensus, though I don't believe that's actually going to happen. guninvalid (talk) 09:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mangione has received an avalanche of attention in RS sources, so I am not surprised by the result of the AfD. In the past such criminals (Richard Matt comes to mind) get articles, and efforts to delete them on a 1E basis are unsuccessful. I speak from experience on that. Here we have an article on a victim, and I think 1E looms especially large here, as the amount of attention focused on him has been far less than Mangione, resulting in what is essentially a duplicative article. Coretheapple (talk) 16:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of Matt, he was a principal character in two film adaptations. Though I advocated for deletion of the article the community was opposed. 1E only is meaningful if it is enforced, and it was not in that instance. In this instance, we need to weigh carefully the purpose served by this article and how it replicates another article. Coretheapple (talk) 16:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Killing of Brian Thompson Let's not make this person a hero over many dead people. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 07:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having a Wikipedia article does not mean he is a "hero". Iostn (talk) 11:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Killing of Brian Thompson Jotamide (talk) 21:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it would be pretty questionable in terms of the reputation of this website that the alleged murderer (and his father) has been given a wikipedia article, whilst the victim's one is deleted. I would support all of these articles including the one for Mangione to be merged into a single article however Anvib (talk) 22:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Notability stems from coverage of murder. Firecat93 (talk) 01:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Killing of Brian Thompson. Once again, he will always be synonymous with his murder and was not notable beforehand. Everything else pertaining to his life — his separation and DUI arrest — is trivial. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He has become known not only for his death, but for his role in the U.S. health insurance industry; as CEO of his company, he was the person within the company that bore primary responsibility for carrying out its policies, which were remarkable even by the standards of that industry. — The Anome (talk) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It has not been shown that he was the principle decision maker or the one that directed the company to chose its approval/denial processes. His tenure at UHC was marked by these but as he was only in the CEO position since 2021, it's hard to determine how much influence he actually has or was a continuation of ongoing practices. We have no way yet to be able to attribute that all to him personally. — Masem (t) 15:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Brian Thompson was the CEO of a very successful and large company and his murder was also very notable and unexpected, so I believe that he should have his own article kept because of this. I also agree with @The Anome above, on why the article should be kept. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 14:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Idek mann (talk) 16:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I started to type out a "merge and redirect" !vote, mainly because I did a search for sources, restricting the dates to before this month, and couldn't find anything substantial. Since we already have an article on the event, merge made sense. However, stepping back for a second, his notability may have increased because of the way he died, but there are nonetheless many sources that are about him specifically now, including high-profile obituaries, and not just the killing. Seems he passes WP:BIO at this point. e.g. NYT, Star Tribune, NYT, Newsweek, WSJ, AP, CNN Business... — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of that coverage is rote obit aspects particularly when we compare to how the victims of tragic events that fall into BLP1E are covered similarly by the media in a sympathetic manner (eg like victims of school shootings). None of these point to any he did that was notable before he was killed. If one considers all the factors that are unique to his biography that there is not covered to a degree on the killing page, this is a very generic business person profile that would fail GNG normally. That means we can still give a few paragraphs on his bio on the killing page but shouldn't have a full article that is a honeypot for potential BLP violations. Masem (t) 18:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Masem. KOLANO12 3 19:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Kolano123, I don't think you have read the comments here very carefully because Masem is arguing to Merge, not Keep this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because of WP:N and WP:V with WP:RS. IZAK (talk) 03:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep This deletion request is frankly quite ridiculous. Brian Thompson is not just known for his murder. There are multiple reliable news sources talking about him other than his death. Shoot for the Stars (talk) 06:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Not only is he notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page, separate from the killing, theres also a massive number of sources, also separate from his killing, that talk about him EarthDude (talk) 07:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep per Shoot for the Stars and EarthDude 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 17:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep well he is a famous person, with this logic then every dead ceo's page should get deleted Emayeah (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In addition to the sources provided by Rhododendrites, here are some other reliable sources that focus on and discuss his personal life and career, not just his death/the killing:
The Washington Post

The New York Times

BBC

CNN

NPR

ABC News -- Some1 (talk) 22:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I apologize in advance for the informality, the man is everywhere. I can't escape him. Every source is yammering about him. —theMainLogan (t•c) 22:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You don’t typically put Oppose or Support !votes on AfD discussions - you either Keep, Merge, or Delete !vote - are you opposing the article’s existence, or the deletion of the article? Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 19:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I meant "Keep". Sorry for the inconvenience. —theMainLogan (t•c) 22:35, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: He is a notable figure outside of this murder and has information about the healthcare system by being a CEO. Rager7 (talk) 00:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If this is notable enough to have an article, then an assassinated CEO should easily clear the bar. -- Sleyece (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That argument is very much WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and we already have an article on his assassination – there is way less sourcing on Brian Thompson separate from his assassination than there is on hawk tuah, as that article's references attests. Notability is about sources, not about subjective importance or seriousness. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess if you're going to press me on policy, my position is more of a cynical Merge into this. -- Sleyece (talk) 23:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Brian already has some coverage from BBC, CNN, etc. as stated by @Rhododendrites and @Some1. He definitely meets WP:NPERSON. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 10:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article looks good and the subject is notable on its own. There's some notable info that has nothing to do with his shooting as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as there is some limited amount of coverage not related to his death. However, being a CEO of a large company is not in itself a notability criterion – we should decide based on coverage in sources, not any subjective measure of fame or importance – and arguments only relying on this should be discounted or at least given lower weight, in my opinion. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Killing of Brian Thompson. He seems like a WP:BLP1E, which is always sad when it's a death. All but one source I saw is from this month; I don't see it demonstrated that he was notable before his killing. Even though there is a lot of coverage on him, even describing his past, it's still due to the assassination. SWinxy (talk) 19:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: Someone pointed out that Hawk tuah has a page, so Brian Thompson should too; and someone else responded saying that argument is invalid because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. However, I disagree with that logic. Hawk tuah has a page AND Hailey Welch has a page. Therefore, it would seem to make sense that Killing of Brian Thompson and Brian Thompson should have their own pages. Furthermore, this man was the CEO of the 10th largest corporation in the United States by market capitalization. Teddybearearth (talk) 07:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD was closed by a non-admin as "keep". Following a DRV appeal, I have re-opened it (as permitted by WP:NACD). Any admin is welcome to close at any time. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as this AFD was closed prematurely, went to DRV and was reopened. Seems fitting to give it a relisting to give our regular closers time to assess this discussion.
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Keep: Just because his article didn't exist before the killing doesn't mean he wouldn't have been eligible for one - as the CEO of a major company and the other items in the news about him, I wager he could have had an article prior and it would not have been disputed. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Double Fine Comics

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A list of webcomics. The ancient last AfD had one keep vote for lack of rationale. There are two separate articles on minigames, My Game About Me: Olympic Challenge and Tasha's Game. I don't believe the The International House of Mojo is an independent source here. IgelRM (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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