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Use of "frac" vs. Unicode ½ vs HTML entity ½

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Hi folks,

I'm sure there's a good reason for this, but why is Fellini's movie 8½ described using 'frac' i.e. with {{frac|8|1|2}} (8+1⁄2)?

This seems to offer little improvement over the actual Unicode 'half' character ('½') which is used in the wikilink anyway. If a user's system doesn't support ½, then it won't be able to open the link to that article – though I suppose in that edge case, you could argue that at least this article might display OK even if the link doesn't work.

If Unicode is a stretch, how about an HTML entity? They've been a W3C recommendation since 1999, so unlikely to cause even the oldest of web-capable devices to break a sweat. That would make the film's title 8½ in the source, which is pretty human-readable if you can't have "8½".

I wouldn't have noticed if 'frac' worked. But on my Mac (running Firefox on Mac OS 11 Big Sur) the text appeared initially as "8 1/2", then after I looked at the source and subsequently cancelled, it started appering as "8+1/2"!

Looks like an issue with Template:Fraction, the Mediawiki codebase, or perhaps something else. The source for Template:Fraction appears to be here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fraction/styles.css

Time Out Experts

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Time Out (magazine) is referenced a lot on the page, for instance: "Brief Encounter (1945) was voted the best romance film of all time with 25 votes in a 2013 poll of 101 experts conducted by Time Out London." One of the experts is Miss Piggy. Many "experts" appear to have no relationship to the romance genre, beyond sometimes being in the film industry. The use of experts here appears to be an example of WP:WEASEL. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 05:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Experts" is the word used by the source, so it is reliably sourced. WP:WEASEL states "...views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source". Nevertheless, I agree that many of the contributors to the poll are not authorities on the genre, so the descriptor is being applied very liberally. A more accurate description would be "industry professionals", or something along those lines. Funnily enough, given that Miss Piggy has worked in the genre for decades, I am more able to accept her as expert on the genre than many of the other people polled. Betty Logan (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop Making Sense

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This is considered to be the greatest concert film of all time according to multiple critics. Should this be on the documentary list? Espngeek (talk) 14:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only if it's topped a critics poll. Betty Logan (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2024

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Please add the following under the Ireland subsection within the National Polls section:

79.154.53.240 (talk) 16:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The 50 best Irish films ever made, in order". The Irish Times. 2020-05-02. Archived from the original on 2022-08-09. Retrieved 2024-10-22.
  2. ^ "The best Irish films of all time: the definitive top 30". Irish Independent. 2023-11-11. Archived from the original on 2023-11-12. Retrieved 2024-10-22.

Critics from Rolling Stones voted Black Panther the best superhero movie

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Critics from Rolling Stones voted Black Panther the best superhero movie. We already have readers poll in which The dark knight topped the list. We should give more importance to critics poll than readers poll, so I hope someone will add Black Panther to the list of best superhero movies. Please find the links below.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/black-panther-tops-superhero-film-poll/

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-lists/greatest-superhero-movies-of-all-time-1367814/ Ashokkumar047 (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In-house lists by a handful of writers are a dime-a-dozen and would quickly swamp the article if we permitted them. Betty Logan (talk) 17:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this also the reason why Stephen Spielberg, Walt Disney, Tim Burton and John Hughes films are not listed here? There are countless in-house lists, and tabloid journalists that cite films (mainly blockbusters) such as Breakfast Club, Avengers: Endgame, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, E.T., Caddyshack, Snow White, and Nightmare Before Christmas amongst the best ever made. Plus, isn't the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which Black Panther is part of widely considered to be a prime example of low culture, which is the opposite of entries on this list such as Citizen Kane, el Verdugo, and Gone with The Wind? Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is neither here nor there. For that matter, the list contains entries such as Die Hard, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and Serenity—not exactly anybody's go-to examples of highbrow cinema. TompaDompa (talk) 18:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would also add that by including the genre entries we actively combatted the natural bias towards critical darlings. We have also included large-scale audience polls too. I also think that if we admitted periodical picks, not only would it make the inclusion criteria less transparent (if editors were permitting some periodicals and not others) it would probably favour more "high brow" offerings in any case. Let's face it, The Godfather is going to top more lists than Caddyshack. Betty Logan (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The American Film Institute claims that Jaws and Snow White are among the best films of all time in American cinema. Should this list be considered, or does it fall under in-house journalism or tabloid journalism similar to the lists claiming that Jurassic Park/World, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Fox/Disney's Planet of the Apes, Micheal Bay's Transformers, and Stripes are amongst the best films ever made?
AFI’s 100 YEARS…100 MOVIES | American Film Institute Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 01:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The poll is already cited in the article for Citizen Kane. It is invalid for Jaws and Snow White because they are not voted the best. Betty Logan (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there no best TV list?

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Television

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References

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  1. ^ Cosgrove-Mather, Bootie (April 26, 2002). "TV Guide Names Top 50 Shows". CBS News. Associated Press. Retrieved February 16, 2022.
  2. ^ Fretts, Bruce; Roush, Matt. "The Greatest Shows on Earth". TV Guide Magazine. Vol. 61, no. 3194–3195. pp. 16–19.
  3. ^ Fretts, Bruce; Roush, Matt (December 23, 2013). "TV Guide Magazine's 60 Best Series of All Time". TV Guide. Archived from the original on December 24, 2013. Retrieved December 23, 2013.
  4. ^ Sheffield, Rob (September 21, 2016). "100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time". Rolling Stone. Archived from the original on September 23, 2016. Retrieved September 22, 2016.
  5. ^ Why The Wire is the greatest TV series of the 21st Century – BBC Culture
  6. ^ "The Final Top Ten Sitcoms". bbcattic.org. London: BBC. 2004. Archived from the original on 13 October 2014. Retrieved 8 October 2014.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Espngeek (talk • contribs)

Comment I would suggest asking at WT:TV, as it's beyond the topic scope of this article. Betty Logan (talk) 16:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can make the article, and then have it approved for creation. I am currently making a TV episodes notable for negative reception list for entries that do not exactly fit the current worst TV shows lists but are still notable such as Principle and The Pauper (The Simpsons), Skibidi Biden (Stephen Colbert), and Last Forever (How I Meet Your Mother). Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 03:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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